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Big Event this Month!

FUN Regional LSCC Meeting

The Liberty Seated Collectors Club offers a fun filled jam-packed agenda
for the regional meeting at the upcoming Florida United Numismatists Conven-
tion. Gerry Fortin and Jason Feldman will host the event on January 10, 2014
which kicks off at 8:30 AM, a half hour earlier than most regional meetings.

Gerry details the event’s schedule in the Regional News column of this
month’s issue on page 6 but it is worth mentioning a few items of particular in-
terest including:

• Update of transition activities to the new LSCC leadership

• Call for nominations for club officers

• Introduction of the LSCC Historian and LSCC Membership Chairman

• Discussion of a new effort between the LSCC, CAC, and NGC

• Grading Program by CAC grader Bill Shamhart

This meeting promises to be an interesting, lively event. Please mark your cal-
endar to attend.

The E-Gobrecht celebrates
10 Years!

This month is the commencement of the 10th year of the Lib-
erty Seated Collectors Club’s electronic newsletter, The E-
Gobrecht I never dreamed it would be this successful when Mi-
chael Fey suggested the idea to John McCloskey and I at the 2004
ANA Convention. The entire credit for its success is due to the
constant support I've received from the readers who believed in its
value to the club.

I want to take this opportunity to thank all of you (too numer-
ous to mention) who took the time and effort to write and contrib-
ute to this newsletter. My heartfelt thanks to you all! [Editor]

Liberty Seated
Collectors Club

2014 Volume 10, Issue I
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Auction News
by Jim Gray

2

Homemade Liberty
Seated Dime Board
by Dave Lange

2

Staying Focused and
Involved are the
(KEY’S)

by Dennis Fortier

3,5

The LSCC Collective
Volumes: An Indispen-
sable Resource for
Liberty Seated Collec-
tors

by Gerry Fortin

4-5

Regional News
by Gerry Fortin

6

Upcoming Events

6

The Curious
Collector

by Len Augsburger

7

Quarter of the Month by
Greg Johnson

8

Liberty Seated Dime
Rotated Reverses Offer
A Great Collecting
Challenge
by Dale Miller

9-13

FUN Announcement
By Dave Perkins

13

The Use of Seated Im-
agery in Numismatics
by Garry Herrman

13

What are Your
Thoughts?
by Paul Kluth

14

Free Advertising

15

1876 Carson City F-
108b Liberty Seated
Dime Attribution
Correction
by Gerry Fortin

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Auction News

by Jim Gray, LSCC #664

The Heritage Houston Sale eontained an 1838-0 half dime graded XF40 that sold for
$2,350 and an 1844-0 was worth $764 in VF30. 1853-0 NA pieees in VF25 and VF35
hammered for $1,087 and $1,586.

Two 1842-0 dimes sold for $2,585 and $441 in grades of AU58 and XF45. An 1844 in
VF20 sold for $499 and a VF30 1845-0 hit $41 1. A nice XF45 1860-0 was worth
$5,581 and a VF35 1873-CC cost $9,694.

A splendid 1842-0 SD quarter in AU58 and perhaps the best around soared to $32,900. A blue toned 1847-

0 graded AU55 hit $5,581 and an XF40 185%S eked out $940.

An 1842 SD half dollar and a beauty was worth $7,050 in MS64. A G6 1870-CC still cost $1,763.

Dollars featured an AU58 1856 that sold for $4,1 13. A MS61 1872-CC dollar with lovely
toning rang the bell for $30,550 and a AU50 duplicate sold for half the amount at $15,275.

Homemade Liberty Seated Dime Board

by Dave Lange, LSCC #488

1 recently purchased on eBay a handcrafted, wooden coin album for Liberty Seated Dimes. The seller had
one for Roosevelt Dimes, too, but this went way over my budget. Why this Liberty Seated album sold at
opening bid is anyone's guess, as I would have thought that it was more desirable. I'm attaching the seller's
photos, which may be of interest to readers.

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staying Focused and Involved are the (KEY’S)

by Dennis Fortier, LSCC #2016

I like all Seated eoinage series. I also like Bust, Colonials, the Twentieth Century renaissance in coinage
and gold too. It’s easy to get distracted when you see a coin you like. I have heard other collectors com-
ment on Liberty Seated coinage saying “it ’s too tough, ” or “if I can ’t afford high grade coins I don ’t want
to get into that series. ” I know many collectors who buy whatever crosses their path. They’re all over the
map with just a pile of stuff. Or they complete a set of say, Morgan’s, get bored with it and sell only to
begin again.

Recently, I had the opportunity to purchase a key date coin I had not planned on and wasn’t in the
market for. My attention was focused on other issues. With just four coins for this key date in PCGS hold-
ers that I could afford, I jumped on it. When opportunity tunes you have to answer. Acquiring this key date
caused me to reflect on how far my collection has come over the last eight years. I’m closing in on a per-
sonnel mile marker. In 2004, the LSCC did a census on Liberty Seated Half collections and I was surprised
to find there were only seventeen collections reported with between 100 and 250 Liberty Seated Halves.

Because of budget constraints. I’ve had to pass on many coins from other series and denominations
saying on multiple occasions, ”I have to stay focused or I won ’t get anywhere with my Seated Half collec-
tion.’’'’ So after eight years what have I accomplished with this single minded focused approach? I went
through my records and found a fair amount of consistency. I’ve acquired between 8 and 15 Liberty Seated
Halves per year for an average of approximately 1 1 per year with 3 or 4 per year being better dates or well
recognized rare varieties.

Below I have a year by year breakdown that I believe shows by staying focused you can over time
build a collection in a difficult series like Liberty Seated Half Dollars.

Year

Total Liberty
Seated Half
Dollars
Purchased

Better DatesWarieties

2006

14

1840(0) Medium Letters, 1856-S, 1857-S

2007

11

1866-S NM, 1874 Large over Small Arrows

2008

9

1844-0 DDD***, 1852-0, 1872-CC

2009

8

1849DDD***, 1870-CC, 1873-S, 1878-CC

2010

9

(2) 1841-0 BBDC* L‘ Marriage and Re-marriage, 1873-CCNA, 1873-CC
WA

2011

11

1874-CC RRT**, 1875-CC, 1875-S Micro S

2012

15

1839 ND, 1846 TD, 1850-0, 1858-S, 1876-CC

2013

14

1855-S, 1868 WB-101, 1868 WB-102, 1871-CC,
1876 WB-106 (Large over Small date)

Results: 91 Liberty Seated Halves

Varieties: 1839 ND, 1840(0) Med Letters, 1841-0 BBDC* L‘ marriage, 1841-0 BBDC* Re-marriage,
1844-0 DDD***, 1846 TD, 1849 DDD***, 1868 WB-102, 1874 Large Arrows over Sm, 1875-S Micro S,
1876 WB-106 (Large date over Sm)

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The LSCC Collective Volumes:

An Indispensable Resource for Liberty Seated Collectors

by Gerry Fortin, LSCC #1054

Starting the Rare American Coins business required
learning all Liberty Seated denominations and im-
portant varieties. Though there are excellent books
on some of the individual series including Bill
Bugert’s Liberty Seated Half Dollar Registers and
Larry Brigg’s Liberty Seated Quarter Encyclopedia,
reading through these tomes requires considerable
patience and attention span. After several attempts, I
realized that these books are better employed during
actual attribution projects rather than as a study tool.

I was still left with the challenge of acquiring
working Liberty Seated coinage knowledge outside
of Liberty Seated dimes that could be immediately be
utilized at a coin shop or on eBay. After more reflec-
tion, I visited my numismatic library and realized
that the Liberty Seated Collectors Club Collective
Volumes of Gobrecht Journals were the likely solu-
tion to a Liberty Seated coinage crash course. This
approach was immediately tested by pulling Collec-
tive Volumes 1, 2 and 3 and placing by my bedside
with the intention of a fast pace Liberty Seated quar-
ter education. I chose the first three Collective Vol-
umes since they predated my LSCC membership
which started during 1989. For a week, I allocated an
hour or two before sleep to read all of the Liberty
Seated quarter articles in the three Collective Vol-
umes and realized that these books were the solution.
I would like to summarize, in this article, the learning
opportunity that the Collective Volumes present to
novice and not so novice collectors of Liberty Seated
Coinage; the emphasis will be on Liberty Seated
quarters.

Collective Volume 1 - CVl

CV 1 captures the early days of the Liberty
Seated Collectors Club starting with the first
Gobrecht Journal issue published in November 1974.
Kam Ahwash was the first LSCC president during
the 1974 timeframe but soon turned the presidency
over to John McCloskey due to a growing coin deal-
ing business. Liberty Seated coinage collecting was
in a formative stage with many discoveries and the
need to document and share new insights. For Liber-
ty Seated quarters, authors were beginning to define

date rarities within the series through a tiered rarity
scale. Key date rarities were debated including the
1842 Small Date, 1849-0, 1873-CC Without and
With Arrows with authors providing their individual
observation from coin shop, coin show and dealer
price list observations (remember there was no inter-
net at this time). Individual date variety study and
publishing was at its infancy in CVl but John
McCloskey was publishing reeding studies and 1876-
CC and 1877-CC Type I and II reverse hub analysis.

I found the CV 1 reading to be a strong foun-
dation for what was to come in CV2 and CV3.

Collective Volume 2 - CV2

CV2 covers the Gobrecht Journal issues from
November 1980 through July 1985. Club member
research is becoming more specialized at the date
level though many articles still focus on rarity plat-
eaus and which dates belong at designated rarity lev-
els. Individual date rarities are becoming more real-
istic as the knowledge spectrum across the club in-
creases. I found individual date striking characteris-
tics or die varieties analysis to be more comprehen-
sive and informative than in CVl . For Liberty Seat-
ed quarters, John McCloskey, Larry Briggs, Harry
Smith, Bill Cregan, and Roy Ash dominated as au-
thors concerning individual date articles. Much
knowledge was quickly extracted from these articles
and the time spent with CV2 was quite rewarding.

Collective Volume 3 - CV3

I found CV3 to be the most useful of the first
three LSCC Collective Volumes. CV3 contained
Gobrecht Journal articles published from November
1985 through July 1990 and introduces a new club
tool; individual denomination population surveys
from club members. Roy Ash published the Liberty
Seated quarter survey reports during 1987 with fol-
low on analysis. The surveys aided club members
with verification of rarities and potential underrated
dates. From a 2013 hindsight, the population surveys
remain as one of the more useful tools only to be sur-
passed by TPG population reports. Remember that

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Better Dates: 1850-0, 1852-0, 1855-S, 1856-S, 1857-S, 1858-S, 1868 WB-101, 1873-S
Carson City: 1870-CC, 1871-CC, 1872-CC, 1873-CCNA, 1873-CC WA, 1874-CC RRT**,

1875-CC, 1876-CC, 1878-CC
* BBDC (Baseball Die Crack)

** RRT (Railroad Track Reverse)

*** DDD (Dramatic Double Date)

This detailed list doesn’t include many lesser known R-5, R-6, and R-7 die marriages I been fortu-
nate to acquire over the years. Another aspect of focus is your collecting philosophy. Everyone has their
own goals; currently mine center around better dates, varieties, and rare die marriages. Early on I recog-
nized certain underrated dates like the 1873-S and concentrated on them. About five years ago I decided to
work on a Caron City short set. I’m down to just one common date left to complete the set. Ordinarily,
many collectors would be Jonas's to finish something they have been working on for five years. Liberty
Seated collectors however, know that when something comes along that may not come along again for a
couple of years you just have to be flexible enough to recognize the opportunity to fill a big hole and put the
completion of a five year project on hold.

A big part of the success I have enjoyed in building my Liberty Seated Half Dollar set thus far is due
to networking and the guidance I’ve gotten from other LSCC members. In representing the club at New
England coin shows (setting up a club table or holding a regional meeting), I get a dealers badge and can
shop before the public gets in. It is a great opportunity for me as a collector to enhance my collection and at
the same time help change the mindset that seated coinage is “too tough.”

Sure it’s tough. If it weren’t there would be no challenge. If there were no challenge there would be
no sense of accomplishment. We could complete a set and get bored with it. That can hardly happen with
Liberty Seated coinage. The commitment required to build a collection of seated coinage is vast, may be
even lifelong, but it is possible on just about every budget. It all goes back to focus.

I know for many of you I’m preaching to the choir, but for newer collectors of Liberty Seated coin-
age and members who may have recently joined the LSCC the feeling of climbing this huge mountain can
be defeating. Fortunately, we have the passionate and encouraging members of our club and all the many
recourses the club offers to make building a collection not only possible but enjoyable. It’s important to stay
connected with other members of the club and get involved. Many of the opportunities that have come my
way came from my involvement with the club. Perhaps that’s something for you to consider while you work
on your collection.

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the TPGs came into existence in the 1986 timeframe
and it would take years to build meaningful popula-
tion databases. In CV3, more in depth variety analy-
sis is conducted and reported. The 1873-CC No Ar-
rows quarter is analyzed in detail by Larry Briggs
along with 1875-S varieties and a preliminary emis-
sion sequence.

In summary, the week long trip back through
the Liberty Seated Collectors Club first fifteen years
of publishing was great reading and allowed for a
rapid assimilation of key Seated quarter facts and
opinions. I would recommend that new Seated coin-
age collectors consider the Collective Volumes as an
important study instrument in their numismatic li-
brary. Hopefully in the coming years, the LSCC will
be able to move CV content to the internet to enable a
wider range of collectors to participate in our club’s
formative years.

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Regional News

by Gerry Fortin, LSCC #1054

This regional news edition is
being written from Florida and
I am so pleased to have escaped
this year’s difficult Maine win-
ter. With multiple pre-
Christmas ice and snow storms,

I it seemed that an early case of
cabin fever was setting in but Florida sunshine and
warm temperatures are an excellent cure for body
and soul.

The Winter FUN show regional meeting is
just around the comer and takes place on January 10
at the Orlando County Convention Center, Room
W232B. Please note the meeting start time will be
8:30 AM this year only due to a substantial agen-
da resulting from club transition activities. The Of-
ficer Transition Committee will provide an update
including a call for 2014-2015 officer nominations.
Brian Greer will share the Transition Committee’s
officer nominations as first step in the new officer
selection process. LSCC Club Historian and New
Member Chairman introductions will also be made
followed by an exciting 2014 CAC/NGC cooperation

review by Greg Shishmanian After club transition
and new program discussions, the best is saved for
last; the FUN meeting will close with a numismatic
presentation by CAC grader Bill Shamhart.

Only a few weeks after FUN, the LSCC
holds its after hours Rock Bottom Brewery regional
meeting at the Long Beach show on January 30, 7:00
PM. Brian Cushing will host this session and hopes
club members will attend for a fun evening of numis-
matic camaraderie. In early Febmary, the LSCC will
once again attend the New Hampshire Coin Expo in
Manchester, NH and holds a joint regional meeting
with the BCCS on February 15, 1 :00 PM. More on
this event and future LSCC regional meetings will be
discussed in the February E-Gobrecht.

Though the LSCC regional meeting schedule
will be robust during 2014, we still wish to growth
our presence at the smaller regional shows outside of
the East Coast. If you have an interest in hosting an
LSCC meeting in your area, please do not hesitate to
contact me for support and ideas.

LSCC Calendar

January 10, 2014, LSCC regional meeting, Florida United Numismatists Convention, Orange
I County Convention Center, 9800 International Drive, Hall E, West Concourse, Orlando, FL. Re-
I gional meeting at 8:30 AM, Friday, Room W232B. Note the earlier meeting start time!

January 30, 2014, LSCC regional meeting, Long Beach Coin, Currency, Stamp & Sports
I Collectible Show, Long Beach, CA. Regional meeting Thursday at 7 PM at the Rock Bottom Brew-

I

February 15, 2014, LSCC regional meeting, New Hampshire Coin Expo, Manchester, NH.
' Additional details will be forthcoming in next month’s E-Gobrecht issue.

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The Curious Collector

by Len Augsburger, LSCC #1271

Tired of 1913 Liberty Nickels

Lately it seems that 1913
Liberty nickels can't get
out of the news. The
"Hawaii Five-0" speci-
men will make yet anoth-
er auction appearance at the FUN show in January,
after being sold only three years ago at the 2010
FUN show (see images below). The Walton coin
sold at the Central States show in April. Not to be
outdone, the ANA will exhibit their 1913, the Bebee
specimen, at the FUN show in January. There are
only two other coins - the Smithsonian holds the
Norweb coin, while the Eliasberg specimen last
traded in 2007 for a reported $5M.

The Eliasberg coin was the first coin to auc-
tion for over a million dollars - 1 remember at the
time (1996) that an audio recording of the event was
circulating on the Internet, via the
rec.collecting.coins Usenet group. I had never been
to a coin auction, or ever met Q. David Bowers in
person - so it was fascinating to hear Dave call the
action for the 1913 nickel. There was a brief pause
when the million dollar mark was reached. Dave
announced the significance of the event, and then
added, "We're not stopping there!" Jay Parino of
Kansas City took the winning bid at $1.485M.

Steve Roach, Coin World editor, indicated to
me that the Central States sale of the Walton coin by
Heritage in April, 2013 was picked up by over a
thousand media outlets. When a 1913 talks, the
public listens. The coin has mindshare. Of course,
the auction companies are more than happy to flip
them at an ever-increasing pace. Who wouldn't
want their auction firm named in all the media cov-
erage? But for whatever reason, I can't get excited
about them anymore - I've seen the coin way too
often on exhibit or in an auction venue. The story of
the coin has been told a million times, and the latest
sale merely adds another name to the pedigree.

In contrast, the Liberty Seated series still of-
fers things you haven't ever seen. In November, I

was shown an 1872-CC quarter in a PCGS AU53
holder. A lovely original coin. I had never seen
anything like it. Everyone of course knew about the
Battle Bom sold at the 2012 ANA - an MS62 coin
which went for a bargain price (a deceiving number,
as the winning bidder likely would have gone higher
had an aggressive under-bidder materialized). But
the AU coin - to a collector trying to put together an
AU/MS set of quarters, this is an amazing
find. Like the five 1913 nickels, there might possi-
bly be five choice AU 1872-CC quarters out there -
but it's close. And they sure don't appear nearly as
often, and their owners are not letting them go. I
recall seeing only one other coin at that grade level,
which was bright white with heavy hairlines. Sadly,
the coin seen at Baltimore was already sold into a
high grade collection of Liberty Seated quarters
(congrats to the new owner, and thanks for showing
the coin to me). It won't ever be priced like an 1913
nickel, but it my mind it will demand just as much
attention.

Images courtesy of Heritage Auctions

Quarter of the Month

by Greg Johnson, LSCC #1460

ri

Those who look for cuds on Lib-
erty Seated Quarters are usually
familiar with the 1856 reverse
cud shown in Figure 1 (below
left). Despite being unlisted in
Larry Briggs’ Quarter reference
and not appearing in the

Gobrecht Journal thus far, it is fairly available in
lower grades and can be found with patience. It is
easy to think of such coins as the last struck from
their particular die; to speculate that mint workers
saw coins with cuds coming off the presses and
changed to a newer die. It seems, though, that at
least in some cases the practice at the United States

mints in the mid- 1800’s was to keep striking coins
until the dies literally fell apart. The coin in Figure 2
(below right) was struck from the same reverse die
as the coin in Figure 1, but in what must have been a
terminal die state. The coin in Figure 2 was pur-
chased by dealer Rich Uhrich at the November Whit-
man show in Baltimore and was last seen in his in-
ventory. Both coins are dated 1856.

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Note from Tom DeLorey on last month’s Quarter of the Month column: Apropos Greg Johnson's
two 1854 quarters, I would categorize both as retained cuds, with the affected die steel in question held be-
tween the bulk of the lower (reverse) die and the collar. Though I have never seen it happen, it is not impos-
sible that the loosened piece of die steel might have traveled up and down in the constrained area between
the die and the collar, producing retained cuds of varying elevation above the field.

Another possible explanation is that on the more circulated specimen, the highest part of the retained
cud above the field simply wore smooth, taking on the appearance of a missing die chip cud rather than a
displaced die chip retained cud.

Figure 1. 1 856 Quarter, cud reverse Figure 2. 1856 Quarter, cud reverse

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Liberty Seated Dime Rotated Reverses
Offer A Great Coliecting Challenge
by Dale Miller, LSCC #2174

I’ve been interested in rotated reverses longer than I’ve been interested in Liberty Seated dimes.
Ever since my fellow collector friend Fred Pick sold me a beautiful 1854 large cent in XF with about 80
degrees rotation, I’ve collected rotated reverses across several denominations and time frames.

Unlike other variety types, such as repunched dates, shattered dies, or misplaced dates, rotated re-
verses are easy to detect on coins in hand, even without a loupe. They can be located at coin shows and
coin shops. However, cherry-picking rotated reverses is difficult because their high visibility makes it like-
ly that the rotated reverse will be identified prior to sale. Cherry-picking rotated reverses online is virtually
impossible because of separate photography of the obverse and reverse, unless the coin is in some kind of
holder.

Collecting Liberty Seated dime rotated reverses offers a particularly interesting challenge since a
good number of rotated reverse varieties are known, but many are very difficult to locate. An official Top
25 list of Liberty Seated dime rotated reverses has not yet been issued, but I have a provisional list that I
use for my personal collection and could be considered as a formal collecting objective. This list is quite
comprehensive in that 25 entries will cover most of the major known Liberty Seated dime rotated reverses.

My list is presented below, including for each item, the date, Fortin variety number, description of
rotation, reason for inclusion, and suggested difficulty weightings, which correspond closely to the rarity
ratings in the Fortin reference. Gerry Fortin’s reference is credited for most of the information in the com-
mentary.

#1: 1837 Large Date

Variety: FlOla, FlOlb, or FlOlc
Rotation: Left 23 degrees

Comment: Significant as first year of issue for the series. All FlOl business strikes have the same 23 de-
gree left rotation; therefore, they are all eligible, making this the easiest item on this list.

Weight: 2

#2: 1837 Small Date

Variety: FI 03a
Rotation: Left 23 degrees

Comment: The small date version is also on the Top 100 list, because of the horizontal reverse die crack,
not the rotated reverse. This variety is more difficult than #1, but easy compared to what’s coming.

#3: 1839

Variety: FI 09
Rotation: Right 12 degrees

Comment: Most 1839 dimes come with rotated reverses, but as the only one with rotation right, rather than
left, this is the natural selection. Recently discovered by Gerry Fortin, this variety is thought to be quite
scarce.

Weight: 8

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#4: 1841

Variety: F 1 04 or F 1 04a
Rotation: Right 18 degrees

Comment: This variety also includes a repunched date. It is considered easier to locate than the two Top
100 varieties that come immediately before and after it in the Fortin reference.

Weight: 3

#5: 1845-0

Variety: FlOlc
Rotation: Left 25 degrees

Comment: This is a late die state of the large, thick O variety on the Top 100 list.

Weight: 6

# 6 : 1849-0 Large O

Variety: FlOla
Rotation: Left 52 degrees

Comment: This is the first of 3 1849-0 varieties with major rotation, and the only one with the Large O.
While all three are scarce, this one is considered the most difficult to locate.

Weight: 8

#7: 1849-0 Small O

Variety: FI 03b
Rotation: Left 85 degrees

Comment: This variety is rated as scarce, but I located two nice VG examples online. None have been seen
in high grade.

Weight: 6

# 8 : 1849-0 Small O

Variety: FI 04a
Rotation: Left 48 degrees

Comment: Significantly different from #7 on degree of rotation and also on date placement; similar in dif-
ficulty to locate.

Weight: 6

#9: 1850-0 Large O

Variety: FI 05 a
Rotation: Left 45 degrees

Comment: Difficult to locate but has been seen offered recently.

Weight: 9

#10: 1851
Variety: FlOl
Rotation: Left 16 degrees

Comment: This Top 25 list should include accessible examples
ble effort.

Weight: 4

. This variety can be located with reasona-

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#11: 1853 With Arrows, Unhubbed

Variety: FI 04a
Rotation: Right 45 degrees

Comment: Although mintage is high at over 13 million and there are more than seventy varieties to ehoose
from, there are only two known signifieant rotated reverses for the 1853 date. Both are Philadelphia mint
issues. This one is with arrows, unhubbed and the other is with arrows, hubbed.

Weight: 6

#12: 1853 With Arrows, Hubbed

Variety: FI 15
Rotation: Right 32 degrees

Comment: A rarity estimate for this variety was not available, but it seems easier to loeate than the un-
hubbed entry #11 and a lower weight is provided.

Weight: 5

#13: 1854

Variety: FI 05

Rotation: Left 70 degrees

Comment: Large rotation clearly merits inclusion, thought quite scarce.

Weight: 8

#14: 1854-0

Variety: FI 03a

Rotation: Right 65 degrees

Comment: This is last of four New Orleans dates to make this list. This variety has to be rated as very rare
since the plate coin with fine details has not been improved upon since its discovery in 2006.

Weight: 9

#15: 1855
Variety: 1855
Variety: FI 05a
Rotation: Right 135 degrees

Comment: One of 2 varieties to make the Ultimate Set specifically as a rotated reverse. It is also considered
one of the rarest rotated reverses, with few examples known.

Weight: 9

#16: 1858

Variety: FI 08a

Rotation: Left 45 degrees

Comment: Significant rotation but scarce.

Weight: 8

#17: 1862-S

Variety: FI 02a

Rotation: Right 35 degrees

Comment: Sought after by collectors because the date itself is scarce. Locating the toughest die state of an

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already scarce date is indeed a challenge, but it’s not as tough as some others on this list.

Weight: 7

#18: 1865 Proof

Variety: FI 02c
Rotation: 180 degrees

Comment: This variety is special in several ways. It is the only proof on this list and the only one with
medal alignment, having a 180 degree rotation. It is also scarce as a date and on the Ultimate Set as a rotat-
ed reverse. Only a few examples are known.

Weight: 10

#19: 1875-S Below Bow, Micro S

Variety: FI 04
Rotation: Right 1 8 degrees

Comment: As the only 1 875-S with mintmark below the bow with an unfilled micro S, this variety is #65
on the Top 100 list. The rotated reverse aids in attribution of low grade examples and gets it on this list.
Weight: 8

#20: 1875-S, Below Bow, Small S

Variety: FI 09
Rotation: Left 50 degrees

Comment: This variety features the small S, rather than the micro S, and is also quite rare.

Weight: 8

#21: 1875-S, Below Bow, Small S

Variety: FI 18
Rotation: Left 80 degrees

Comment: Sean Shaughnessy discovered this second small S rotated reverse in 201 1. As no other exam-
ples have been reported so far, it is also considered rare.

Weight: 8

#22: 1876

Variety: FI 17

Rotation: Left 85 degrees

Comment: This entry has an obvious rotation but remains very rare.

Weight: 8

#23: 1876-CC
Variety: F107a
Rotation: Right 120 degrees

Comment: This variety is an interim die state of the double die obverse, Greer Reverse B die pair. The ear-
ly die state, FI 07, is listed as Top 100 #72 and the late die state, FI 07b, has heavy erosion and strong die
cracks, while both have normal die alignment. The interim die state, FI 07a, features both the double die
obverse and major rotation. This variety is very rare, and the plate coin only grades G6.

Weight: 9

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#24: 1876-CC
Variety: FI 12
Rotation: Right 45 degrees

Comment: This is the seeond major rotated reverse variety for 1876-CC, the only Carson City date with
rotated reverses on this list. It is extremely rare, as only a few examples are known.

Weight: 10

#25: 1888-S

Variety: FI 11a

Rotation: Right 55 degrees

Comment: Jason Feldman’s 2013 discovery is the only major rotated reverse during the last 15 years of the
Liberty Seated dime series. I recently discovered an 1890 with rotation, but only about 10 degrees.

This collecting challenge is not for people who need immediate gratification. Most of the varieties are rare
and few of them are on the Top 100 and Ultimate Set lists already being collected. The Top 25 Rotated Re-
verse Set is probably a close second in difficulty to the Top 25 Cud Dies among seated dime collecting
challenges. If s the kind of challenge that makes coin collecting a lifetime adventure for me.

FUN Announcement

W. David Perkins, Numismatist (LSCC #790) will have Table #1533 at the 2014 FUN Convention in
Orlando, FL. We will have a nice selection of Seated coins for sale from half dimes through dollars, includ-
ing an exceptionally nice group of Seated half dimes. Half dime highlights include an 1839-0 ND V-4, R-6
- (Obv. 4 / Rev. E) in P63 with obverse rim cud, a beautifully toned 1840 ND in P53 CAC, 1845 RPD FS-
302 in P45, 1856 in P64+ CAC, an 1861 in P63 and an 1862 in P64. Quarters include an 1877 S / Hor. S in
NGC MS62 CAC, ex. Newman-Col. Green and an 1884 in P20 CAC. Half Dollars include an 1842 8 / 8
WB-106 in NGC MS62, ex. Newman-Col. Green and a handsome 1844-0 DD in P08 CAC. Also being of-
fered is a beautiful 1876-CC Trade Dollar in P62 CAC, ex. Norweb. We will also have two cases of ex-
traordinary Capped Bust half dimes for sale, with rare die marriages, plate coins, late die states and cuds.

We are always looking to buy better Seated coins and collections, especially Seated dollars. W. David Per-
kins, 303-902-5366, wdperki@attglobal.net .

The Use of Seated Imagery in Numismatics

by Garry Herrman

The article entitled “Seated Liberty: Some Comparisons of Seated, Allegorical Figures From Christian
Gobrecht’s Design To the Present by Mark Benvenuto” in the May 2009 issue of the E-Gobrecht served as
my inspiration to start a set based on the coins Mark lists in his article. I have expanded on that list some-
what to include any coins, tokens, or medals using seated imagery as their main devices. I have entitled my
set, “The Use of Seated Imagery in Numismatics.” I have done a lot of research on this set and I think that
your readers will enjoy it. My set is posted as a custom set in NGC’s Collectors Society at the following
link:

http://coins.www.collectors-societv.com/wcm/CoinCustomSetView.aspx?s=13319

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The E-Gobrecht

What are Your Thoughts?

by Paul Kluth, LSCC #1994

IVe been thinking about ways to update the attributions of
Liberty Seated Half Dollars in my eolleetion based on Bill
Bugerf s new books on all the varieties/die marriag-
es. fm one of those eolleetors who uses massive Exeel
spreadsheets to maintain a detailed eolleetion inventory
whieh is espeeially handy for sorting and filtering data
when a speeifie seareh for a eoin's information is desired.

Knowing there are other collectors out there that do
this same type of thing or at least maintain manual
ledgers, I wanted to ask what other collectors’ think?

The triek here is to list only the most important attribution
data, but with enough detail to easily sort/filter in order to
find what you are looking for in the future when your
memory has forgotten what you've got. Obviously, one
doesn't want to have to make frequent trips to the safe
deposit box to view the aetual eoins.

To better explain what I am eontemplating, let me provide
an example: I have an example of an 1844-0 WB-6 late
die state with the retained eud as pietured on pages 166-
167 of ^ Register of Liberty Seated Half Dollar Varieties,
Volume III, New Orleans Branch Mint 1840-0 to 1853-0
NA.

The most simple attribution of eourse would be to just list
the eoin as an 1844-0 WB-6, but over time that is not go-
ing to be enough to reeall what it is (unless of eourse you
have a memory like the late Walter Breen if you know
what I mean).

What I'm eonsidering is to identify the above eoin this
way:

1844-0, WB-6, 4/D (stands for die marriage with the
pairing of obverse die #4 with rev die #D), Large O,

LDS, with reverse retained eud at ES of States (K-12), R-
3.

With this type of attribution I ean more easily identify the
eoin from inventory. Also, as I build upon the number of
die marriages, I want to traek the speeifie obverse and
reverse dies that I have for eaeh date/mint. Now, should I
also use the eross referenee to WB-101 what with the new
book out? Of eourse, if this die marriage had other major
diagnosties like signifieant doubling, a repunehed date or
mint mark, or another progression in the die state, I would
want to put that in the deseription as well. By the way, K-
12 is for the eloek position of the eud whieh helps me to
jog my visual memory of the loeation on the
eoin too. Remember, all this is for use in a printable

worksheet or ledger with somewhat limited spaee.

For this partieular die pairing with the rarer eud die state, I
do need to ask Bill if he feels the rarity level is aetually
higher than an R-3?

Okay, what do other readers’ think? I would like to
get your feedback and thoughts, and to share it with
everyone else.

Guess what, I need to do this same type of thing for the
other Liberty Seated denominations in my eolleetion too,
so you ean see both the ehallenge and goal that one faees?

For further referenee, let me share the other data fields I
use for keeping important and aeeurate reeords:

Item#

Category (personal eategory breakdown used)

Purehase Date

Year (date of speeifie eoin)

Mint Mark and/or other designation (like NA)

Series/Denomination

Grade

Purehase Priee

Adder Costs (i.e., shipping, bid premium, tax, ete.)

Total Priee Paid

From Whom Purehased (like eompany name, auetion
eompany/sale name & Lot #, seller id, ete.)

Seller Name (speeifie name of individual & loeation, if
applieable)

Grading Serviee ID#

Other Notes

For the data I am asking your thoughts about, I eurrently
use the following data fields:

Brief Deseription

Attribution (in some eases this eould inelude multiple at-
tributions like Cherrypieker's Guide, Breen, The Cud
Book and more)

Die State
Rarity.

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Liberty Seated Quarter Cuds Wanted among other
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die breaks, and shattered dies on EDS Eiberty Seated
Quarters. While I have been able to add quite a few ex-
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more pieces out there missing from the
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1 876 Carson City F-1 08b Liberty Seated Dime

Attribution Correction

by Gerry Fortin, LSCC #1054

The E-Gobrecht

Page 16

In the November 2013 E-Gobrecht issue, I published an article concerning 1876-CC and 1887-S seated
dime terminal die states. The article stimulated immediate feedback on the 1876-CC Double Die Reverse
dime and the assigned F-1 08b die state. Dr. Tim Cook and Chris Majtyka both sent emails with the same
conclusion. The reverse artifacts surrounding the denomination that had been attributed as die cracks were
most likely due to a removed mount. As explained by Chris Majtyka, 1876 Carson City dimes are known to
have been mounted for United States centennial celebrations and infrequently appear on the market with re-
verse damage from removed mounts. Tim Cook offered that no seated dime dies are known to have this
type of die break pattern and the occurrence of these circular die breaks was highly unlikely a degraded die
steel event.

Below is the 1876-CC reverse image from the November article. Close inspection reveals a slight
difference in surface color and texture between the denomination, ONE DIME, surrounded by the circular
artifacts, as compared to the wreath perimeter. The center of the reverse shows less wear which is possible if
covered by a mount.

I placed the dime under stereo microscope and thoroughly inspected the darker center area around
the denomination. This surface area exhibits pitting when compared to the wreath surfaces which are blem-

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ish free and smooth from wear. The center area pitting would result from the mount being removed and
some of the solder/silver interface being lifted off the coin’s top silver plane.

Following are macro images that compare the pitted surfaces between 0(NE) and DI(ME) with a
sample surface areas between the upper wheat stalks. The surface conditions are different with the center
area being heavily pitted and could result from the solder mount being lifted from its bonding with the silver
surface.

Pitted surface between 0(NE) Normal silver surface between upper

and DI(ME) wheat stalk ends

Surface roughness starting at 2:00 - 7:00
on (0)NE.

As a result of this analysis, the evidence suggest the possibility of a removed mount. Therefore, the
1876-CC F-108b terminal die state listing is eliminated from the web-book. In hindsight, a more thorough
analysis of the reverse area surrounding the denomination would have generated sufficient evidence to dis-
prove the shattered reverse die assumption. I do wish to thank Chris Majtyka and Dr. Tim Cook for their
inputs.

Liberty Seated Collectors
Club

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